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Post by jase on Aug 1, 2007 11:19:34 GMT 10
if you guys want to go in for a group buy, maybe we could get postage cheaper or free. will prob cost us $180AU / kit.
what do you think.
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Post by sean on Aug 1, 2007 12:31:20 GMT 10
Hey Jase, the LEG EPP Jart is the one Glenn refered to ealier in this thread, sounds like it's not much good. I reckon a good EPP alternative to a plank for learning DS would be the Tuffplanes Banshee or Screaming Banshee: www.tuffplanes.com/Products/Banshee.htmlApparently it's done 182mph and is made by the people who make the world-record (for a foamy) holding Supertron. I haven't heard much about the Banshee but they look to me like they'd fly well.
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Post by zipper on Aug 1, 2007 12:50:18 GMT 10
We made an EPP Jart before they were commercially available, It dose every thing that the composite one dose but at a 1/8 of the speed.
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Post by thevon on Aug 1, 2007 20:05:44 GMT 10
Still chuckling ....., "1/8 of the speed"!
As far as I'm concerned it's all about the minimum time building and the max time standing out on the slope with the breeze in the hair and a big smile on the dial flying, so I'm not interested in a Jart!
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Post by swoopdown on Aug 14, 2007 17:43:02 GMT 10
Jarts do not DS well! Jarts really go fast on the front side but bang a turn like a good plank or moldie. There foil is not designed to turn hard. They are awesome on the front and faster than most things (Sam was racing a 2.2 metre Hypnosis) and there was nothing in it, till the turns..... They also have awesome roll rate. If you want a Jart get in touch with Samotage (Sam is a Victorian) who has a fues mould. I believe he will make you a heavy glass/kevlar fues for about $150. More for a full sexy carbon one. The guy does great work.
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Post by swoopdown on Aug 14, 2007 17:43:50 GMT 10
EPP planks are the way to go for learing DS! For sure.
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Post by a good ds plank on Aug 15, 2007 21:42:51 GMT 10
If i was ever to get a plank for DS, i would go for the Reaper (the new version called the R60 DS extreme). You probably wont get it fast enough to break it in Australia. here is a link to the reaper site www.southpacificmodels.co.nz/ there also in New Zealand which makes the shipping less. Im waiting on their new 72" version. Im getting one and going to build it as a two piece wing, it should be really fast.
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Post by skyzking on Aug 15, 2007 21:46:09 GMT 10
If i was ever to get a plank for DS, i would go for the Reaper (the new version called the R60 DS extreme). You probably wont get it fast enough to break it in Australia. here is a link to the reaper site www.southpacificmodels.co.nz/ there also in New Zealand which makes the shipping less. Im waiting on their new 72" version. Im getting one and going to build it as a two piece wing, it should be really fast. hey this is my post but my login time expired half way through writing the thing but thats ok. Anyway man the reaper rocks, check it out on the net or other forums...
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Post by zipper on Aug 16, 2007 17:12:58 GMT 10
The Reaper is a nice looking plane, BUT $200? There isn't much there for the $$$. and that nose will come off the first time you have an arrival.
Glenn
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Post by ding on Aug 16, 2007 18:49:20 GMT 10
The Reaper is a nice looking plane, BUT $200? There isn't much there for the $$$. and that nose will come off the first time you have an arrival. Glenn I too am struggling with the reaper price given I can get a m60 for roughly half the price.
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Post by sean on Aug 16, 2007 19:07:53 GMT 10
Yep, the Reaper's expensive, no doubt about it. But in it's defence the price is US$151 versus US$99 for the M60 (so it's not double the price of an M60). But, you definitely get more with the Reaper, it comes with graphite golf club shafts for the spars and fuse longeron. In comparison, the NCFM HP60 also comes with the golf club shaft spars and costs US$120 but doesn't include a fuse, so in my opinion the value is comparable. It must also be tough exporting from NZ with their weak currency and small domestic market.
I haven't flown either the Reaper or M60 (yet), but from what I'm told the Reaper is tougher than the M60. With the Reaper, the fuse is mounted to the bottom of the wing so it separates in a big hit, but the M60 has a wrap-around fuse with a much weaker longeron, so it tends to break in big hits. In my opinion neither would be as strong as a wing with no fuse though.
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Post by ding on Aug 16, 2007 19:27:53 GMT 10
On the costs Sean, I've done the sums with Callun, and yes, we really can get two m60's for the price on one reaper. I'm happy to explain this in person.
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Post by zipper on Aug 17, 2007 18:19:20 GMT 10
And golf shaft's are free if you go to a pro shop and get the broken ones.
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Post by ding on Aug 17, 2007 22:44:18 GMT 10
And golf shaft's are free if you go to a pro shop and get the broken ones. They do the job to a Tee ;D ;D
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Post by sean on Aug 17, 2007 22:53:26 GMT 10
Free graphite shafts would certainly be nice, thanks for the tip Zipper. The cheapest ones I can find to buy cost $20 each, but for this particular deal you have to order them online and the postage is also $20 for up to ten. So three (as found in the Reaper) would cost $80!
The M60 would certainly be a good choice, if you can get them as cheaply as you say and add your own stiffer spars they'd be a real bargain DS machine.
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