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Post by jase on Sept 13, 2007 15:17:03 GMT 10
as title says. any local suppliers sell DS planes? or do i have to order from OS. i'm looking at 1 of 2 planes at the moment. one is the M60. the other is the Super Tron 60" DS foamie. www.tuffplanes.com/Products/Supertron60.html
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Post by sean on Sept 13, 2007 19:26:49 GMT 10
Hi Jase, I'm not aware of any local suppliers for those or similar planes, with the exception of the Wowings S15, but I reckon you'd need to mod that one a bit to be a good DSer (stiffer, better yaw stabiliy etc). It looks like you might be in for a bit of a wait before the M60's available again.
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Post by callun on Sept 13, 2007 20:45:18 GMT 10
Most gliders are DS'able, however of course you're after a foamie. I'm not aware of any (from my search) available within Oz, but Andrew got some made from Zipper. Ask him what he has, he may be able to help.
I would reccomend spending a little more time learning to fly a bit better, get some more experience etc before forking out and getting a plane that, with all due respect and acknowledgement that you're evidently learning quite quickly, you're probably not really ready for.
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Post by ding on Sept 13, 2007 22:15:06 GMT 10
Most gliders are DS'able, however of course you're after a foamie. I'm not aware of any (from my search) available within Oz, but Andrew got some made from Zipper. Ask him what he has, he may be able to help. I would reccomend spending a little more time learning to fly a bit better, get some more experience etc before forking out and getting a plane that, with all due respect and acknowledgement that you're evidently learning quite quickly, you're probably not really ready for. It probably doesn't matter what you buy. Only thing is SC and places like Beechmont can be hard to land a slippery plane at for the inexperienced. Can I just say at this point that you're doing quite well. SS is really good for facilitating learning. People get lots of airtime
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Post by jase on Sept 13, 2007 22:36:23 GMT 10
yeah. like i said when i bought the Macchi.... i enjoy the challenge. i'm not in a huge hurry at the moment, especially with this current weather pattern we are in.... not much flying to be done at all lately. i'm just seeing what my options are if and when i go that way. i think after the abuse i put my poor Bee through at SC last time i was there i might rebuild it stronger and more rigid. see what happens from there and maybe get another plane closer to x-mass.
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Post by sean on Sept 13, 2007 22:46:56 GMT 10
Jase, my feeling is that if you bought something like the M60 soon, and took your time to build it well you'd be ready to fly it once it was done. They're not hard to fly, just hard to land in a small space, They also need a bit of time and experience to setup well. I'd recommend against flying it at Shorncliffe, just leave it for places with a good landing zone. The hardest thing would probably be the build, iron on films inparticular are tricky to apply to foam but not rocket science. I'd avoid the Supertron, it's too much, the cheaper Electron would be a better bet, lighter and much easier to build, leave the Supertron for when you're having trouble breaking the 140 barrier ;D . The guys at Speedfreeks seem to have got good speeds out of their Electrons. Another good choice IMO would be the JW60, it's just come back onto the market.
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Post by ezza on Sept 14, 2007 0:30:56 GMT 10
Jase, I would have to agree with Sean. I have seen an electron fly and it looked sweet. JW can ds with the best of them and they are super tough! The bat's of Andrew and Sean look pretty hard to beat. As far as local planes, there really only is the S-15, Drongo or what about an Osprey? Maybe you could stiffen one up using the new AVB spar method. I reckon Andrew might be on to something there. I am going to try it on my son's Skua.
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Post by thevon on Sept 14, 2007 8:26:43 GMT 10
Yeah I'm no expert but of the 3 planes I've tried to DS, (Drongo, Scorpian & Ozprey) the Ozprey is the easiest and smoothest - perhaps because it has a shape rather like a JW, which is praised for its DS characteristics??
In standard trim the Ozprey is light but not tough, but I think there's a lot you can do to strengthen an Ozprey. I was just saying to Gerard (he's building one for DS too) that if you stick some strips of carbon ribbon spar along the nose of the Ozprey, it HUGELY increases its prang-resistance. I"ve done this with mine after the first 2 times I broke the nose, and it's been soooo durable since then. At first it ripped off easily but since doing flat spars either side and under the nose, I've belted the crap out of it without damage. But on Sunday at Woody Pt, I clipped the concrete edge on the path in a fast landing- a really big smash and it tore the nose right off. But ... sure enough, it broke waaaay back, where the ribbon spars stopped! So now I've extended them a bit further.
Other things you can do include putting full length spars top and bottom, (small round ones or even better, flat ones), and smearing the wingtips/ nose with Shoe Goo and using electrical tape over the LE and around the nose (simple but very effective!).
It's a really quick little plane actually. The tail boom and balsa fin make it quicker and slicker. The forward-swept wing means it doesn't need a big fin, which reduces drag. I think you could go all out and use AAA's in the nose and make it thinner and a bit longer too, to make it faster but then the nose would be more damageable.
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Post by portfox on Sept 14, 2007 10:33:45 GMT 10
I can tell you M60 is a very versatile model, can manage light lift and then can cut it when DS'ing. Built with the carbon additions i think you would have a very robust plane to use.
Missed this, i'm pretty sure David from RC-Sailplane was looking at bringing in the M60's just email him.
S
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Post by jase on Sept 14, 2007 10:47:00 GMT 10
yeah. the next plane i wanted was more so for DS'ing than front side. it's not the sort of plane i would take out to SC or Woody Point to fly.
i e-mailed Gerard about the osprey. as andrew suggested i might be better modding one of them to get me started in the world of DS, then later on get something faster.
i just find it too hard to try and learn to DS with a Bee. it just doesn't have enough in it to successfully DS properly and i'd perfer to have something that can DS, than try and learn on something that i have to struggle to get going.. i just won't learn as quick.
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Post by thevon on Sept 14, 2007 13:26:11 GMT 10
jase as Zipper said to me, you can DS anything! But dif planes suit dif conditions. You could DS the Bee but only in small spots doing tight loops, but that actually takes more skill than carving big ones in a larger clearer area. Also it's easier to start DSing in places where you can do it "flatter", not such vertical loops. But the big thing is speed retention - it's easier to DS if the plane holds its speed. Most guys reckon that molded planes are easier to DS for that reason. The Drongo holds its speed amazingly but probably suits an experienced flyer - it feels so scary-ly neutral and pitch/trim fiddly. So I guess in summary you want something that's well behaved, pretty fast, and prang proof.
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Post by zipper on Sept 14, 2007 17:45:03 GMT 10
I have found that the M60's little sister the Moth is a much more versatile plane and responds incredibly well to ballast and will fly in next to no lift. My M60 is a bit of pig to fly unless the conditions are just right.
Glenn
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Post by ezza on Sept 14, 2007 20:22:12 GMT 10
I have found that the M60's little sister the Moth is a much more versatile plane and responds incredibly well to ballast and will fly in next to no lift. My M60 is a bit of pig to fly unless the conditions are just right. Glenn I have heard alot of people say this over on RCG. and after seeing this video; www.thud.us/videos/rc/jones-2007-first-blood-900k-640x480.wmvI want to cut my m60 down.
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Post by callun on Sept 15, 2007 0:53:35 GMT 10
jase as Zipper said to me, you can DS anything! Case in point, I got my warrior to slot into the groove pretty quickly and easily. Lots of fun.
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Post by ding on Sept 15, 2007 7:31:14 GMT 10
jase as Zipper said to me, you can DS anything! Case in point, I got my warrior to slot into the groove pretty quickly and easily. Lots of fun. It was pretty funny too. It would go faster and faster until catastrophic airframe flutter would set in, and then it would virtually stop in the air... and the process starts again
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