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Post by windsock on Sept 30, 2007 8:53:15 GMT 10
I was looking at a few sites and come across the following Slope Combat Contest site: www.hkrcss.org/sc603-07.htmlHomepage: www.hkrcss.org/mainE.htmlAs the weather becomes more reliable would anyone be interested in a Slope Combat Contest? We could have a couple rounds a year at different locations. I don't know about prize or trophies but we could work something out. I like the thought that they kept a record of Kills & Contacts with a time restriction, must have different points assigned to each. As I mentioned, depending on weather we could have it at different locations e.g. Shorncliffe, Mt Mee, Sids Rd & Woody Pt. Depending on the weather the location can always be flexiable. Obviously Shorncliffe would be the primary location. We could also keep the process of the rounds on the Windsock site. What do people think? Good or bad idea? The main thing would to keep it fun.
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Post by ding on Sept 30, 2007 9:00:29 GMT 10
I guess you'd know that I'd approve of this! I think there are rules around the traps for some kind of official competition. Definitely be there.
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Post by windsock on Sept 30, 2007 9:13:27 GMT 10
That would be good if we could find some rules/guidelines.
I was also thinking that you could drop your worst two/three rounds. I know that some people won't always be able to make each round.
If we all put a few of dollars in, we should be able to afford a trophy or gift voucher. Maybe a hobby store may come to the party with a gift voucher?
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Post by jase on Sept 30, 2007 9:55:28 GMT 10
sounds awesome, love the idea.
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Post by callun on Sept 30, 2007 13:36:51 GMT 10
Hehehehehe. I think my warrior would almost be suitable as a symbolic trophy to the winner of a slope combat competition It could be a re-curring trophy, so each competition winner gets their name on it, and hands it on to the next comp winner at the end of their "reign".
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Post by zipper on Sept 30, 2007 16:41:13 GMT 10
If it gets under way as a series, Then I might be able to put in a Scorpion kit into the prize pool.
Glenn Off The Edge Sailplanes
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Post by windsock on Sept 30, 2007 20:29:13 GMT 10
That would be great Glenn! Once we know what we are doing it would be great if you could come to the party with a Scorpion kit. To get some ideas going here are a few suggestions: Seven rounds, from October 07 to April 08. One round per month with the ability to select your best five rounds to make your final points. Each month two dates are selected, if the first date doesn't produce flyable weather the second date is then used. I've done a bit of research on rules for scoring etc. I had a few discussions today on how points are awarded and who claims the 'hit', I think the following rules may help to sole that problem. The final problem is who keeps score??? Sourced from: www.aeromodellerswa.info/rules/foamcombat.pdf7 Scoring. 7.1 A kill is awarded 3 points which consists of an aircraft making mid-air contact with another opponets aicraft causing it to strike the ground and cease flight. No matter who initiates the contact engagement,the aircraft that remains flying after such an event,and demonstrates flight control by performing the verification manoeuvre shall gain maximum points.No points are awarded to the aicraft striking the ground. 7.2 Only 1 point will be awarded for a kill if an aircraft fails to complete the varification manouvre within 30 seconds. 7.3 A kill is only awarded 2 points if the opponents aircraft strikes the ground but regains flight by its own power. No varification manouvre is required to claim the 2 points.No points are awarded to the aircraft that strikes the ground. 7.4 A varification manouvre shall consist of either a 360 roll or a 360 degree loop ending in level controled flight.This must be done within the designated combat zone as near to the downed aircraft as possible. 7.5 Hits are awarded 1 point to each pilot which will consist of 2 or more aircraft making mid air contact that does not result in any of the aircraft striking the ground. All aircraft involved in the mid air contact are awarded 1 point.No varification manouvre is required. 7.6 If all aircraft strike the ground after contact with no aircraft successfully performing a varification manouvre to claim a kill, then they each score 1 point for a hit. 7.7 Multiple kills or hits can be claimed if a single contact involves more than 2 aircraft. A separate varification manouvre must be performed by each aircraft for each kill claimed.Two or more aircraft may each claim the same kill if they each made contact with the aircraft within 1 second of each other. If contact is made more than 1 second apart then only the aircraft that made the initial contact can claim the kill. The second aircraft may only score 1 point for a hit. 7.8 The appointed scorer is responsible for ensuring aircraft stay within the designated Combat Zone and actively engage during combat rounds. It is the appointed scorers responsibility to verbaly notify there designated pilot that they have left the combat zone and aply the 10 second count when they re-enter the combat zone. 7.9 No points will be available if aircraft actively engage outside the combat zone. 7.10 A pilot whose aircraft leaves and re-enters the combat zone during a combat round must sustain normal level flight ( neither engage in combat or deliberately try to avoid contact ) for a period of 10 seconds, points will not be awarded to this aircraft for any contact that does occur in this time. However other aircraft may attack and score the penalised aircraft while it serves its 10 second infrigement. 7.11 A pilot whose model flys closer than the 10 mtr stand and fly line must also observe the 10 second infridgement. What do you think???
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Post by sean on Oct 1, 2007 9:18:45 GMT 10
Sounds good Gerard, might have to get me a Duck so I can participate . Regarding the verification manoeuvre, I like the idea but if combatting in really low lift it could be tough to perform a roll or loop, especially after just regaining control from a hit. Edit: added the comment on verification maoeuvre, you beat me to it Callun
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Post by callun on Oct 1, 2007 9:38:41 GMT 10
Those rules sound pretty intense and maybe a bit intense considering some of the marginal lift we get at SC sometimes. My plane would be struggling to do a 180degree barrel roll in its current state. I guess if we couldn't do the required tasks in the given lift, then it's not a day for contest
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Post by windsock on Oct 1, 2007 11:27:46 GMT 10
Those rules sound pretty intense and maybe a bit intense considering some of the marginal lift we get at SC sometimes. My plane would be struggling to do a 180degree barrel roll in its current state. I guess if we couldn't do the required tasks in the given lift, then it's not a day for contest I know, I guess we just need to arrange something simple which will work. I like some aspects of it. The one that a point is awarded to each plane which hits is good, as it solves the problem of who hit who. I like the old saying KISS - keep it simple stupid! We could also run a shorter series maybe, more than one round a month?
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Post by windsock on Oct 1, 2007 12:51:44 GMT 10
What about these three basic rules for scoring combat?
Scoring.
1) A kill is awarded 3 points which consists of an aircraft making mid-air contact with another opponents aircraft causing it to strike the ground and cease flight. No matter who initiates the contact engagement, the aircraft that remains flying after such an event scores the 3 points.
2) Hits are awarded 1 point to each pilot, which will consist of 2 or more aircraft making mid air contact that does not result in any of the aircraft striking the ground. All aircraft involved in the mid air contact are awarded 1 point.
3) Multiple kills or hits can be claimed if a single contact involves more than 2 aircraft. Two or more aircraft may each claim the same kill if they each made contact with the aircraft.
Therefore you receive more points for a kill, compared to just making contact.
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Post by callun on Oct 1, 2007 14:45:21 GMT 10
Three rules sound better than eleventy. What about failed attempts or kamikaze missions?
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Post by mike on Oct 1, 2007 22:33:34 GMT 10
Sounds great...especially when I just ordered my Queen Bee today!!!
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Post by callun on Oct 2, 2007 22:34:13 GMT 10
The bigger they are... the harder they fall Mikey boy
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Post by windsock on Oct 3, 2007 20:38:34 GMT 10
Do people think it would be best to have one round a month over a longer period (for the summer flying season). Or a shorter series e.g. two rounds a month for 3 months?
To add to the first option, having a larger gap between rounds will allow for back-up dates incase of poor weather. Also time for normal weekend flying.
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